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If only. . . . (Score:0, Offtopic)
by OtakuMan (OtakuMan@animefan.org) on Tuesday November 09, @08:33PM EST (#1)
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Now if only i had a system that can actually run OpenGL, damn Cyrix chips. hehe
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Cool (Score:0, Redundant)
by plague3106 (ajj3085@rit.edu.no.spam) on Tuesday November 09, @08:39PM EST (#3)
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Where can i get a copy? Nothing like playing your very first 3d shooter game again :)
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Re:Cool (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @08:44PM EST (#7)
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You can get it here here. Watch out, it's a geocities page (I have Java and Javascript turned of, so I don't get hassled). He hasn't released the source yet, but appearently he intends to once he's cleaned it up a little, though I think he should just release it as is and get others to help.
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3D Only??? (Score:1)
by HamNRye on Tuesday November 09, @08:40PM EST (#4)
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Darn it all...
Well, I guess I'll have to go out and get a 3D card for my linux box now. Either that, or stick with DosEmu... (Now in beta!)
Will it still run on my 386??
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Microlith on Tuesday November 09, @08:49PM EST (#14)
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Will it still run on my 386??
Beowulf of 50+ may do it...
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:35PM EST (#48)
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Will it still run on my 386??
It would if you could get a 3D card into it.. Unfortunately I don't think there's any ISA 3D cards out with OpenGL support, or 386 boards in existance that have PCI (or AGP for that matter) slots.
Do 386es work in 486 boards? It's been awhile...
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @09:48PM EST (#58)
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Do 386es work in 486 boards? I don't think so. From memory, a 386 chip is smaller than a 486 chip by a pin ring or two. Hmm, I'm not ever sure if the two chips have the same spect ratio. As to 486 boards, I have one with 2 or 3 ISA slots, a VLB slot and 3 pci slots (Asus, I think; I got it second hand). Veddy cool (allowed me to get a more modern sound card before I got my new machine).
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386 PCI (Score:1)
by Luke B. Bishop (nanosoft@nanosoft.hypermart.net) on Tuesday November 09, @09:51PM EST (#61)
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| I _have_ seen such a monster once. It looked really bizzarre, it had the 386 socket and some REALLY old PCI slots. I think it may have had a few EISA slots on it too, in addition to the ISA... It had like 6 72-pin simm slots! I didn't know what to say, it was really REALLY strange. But such things existed, even if they were not well spread. That being said, I think this was one of the professional-grade machines that hardly saw the light of day in common use. Unless I'm mistaking an old alpha board for a 386 or somesuch ;) But I should know better than that...
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Re:386 PCI (Score:1)
by Bishop on Wednesday November 10, @08:48AM EST (#131)
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It was probably an IBM 386 with Micro Channel Architechture (MCA). The connectors are either physically the same or very similar. Please note that the electrical pinout is completely different. The PCI arch has been around for a while, but it is post 486.
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Re:386 PCI (Score:1)
by Foogle (foogle@adelphia.net) on Wednesday November 10, @03:20PM EST (#153)
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I thought MCA started with 486s?
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Re:386 PCI (Score:1)
by ShadowDragon (postmasterSPAM@SUXshadoweb.net) on Thursday November 11, @12:04AM EST (#162)
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Nope, in a previous incarnation (Head tech at Egghead software) I had the pleasure (torture?) of rigging up an external modem to one of these for a customer.. 386SX 33, 2.88 MB floppy, pretty decked for a 386. Oh, and MCA is an inverse connection from PCI ;) (or actually the other way around since MCA came first) On another note, I also have seen a token ring card that had both MCA and ISA connections.. it had a blade on either side of the card, so you turned it one way for MCA and the other for ISA, pretty cool.. but useless
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Re:386 PCI (Score:1)
by Luke B. Bishop (nanosoft@nanosoft.hypermart.net) on Thursday November 11, @02:27PM EST (#163)
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No, I know what MCA looks like and this was NOT MCA. It was PCI. Weird.
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:1)
by Mattsson on Wednesday November 10, @01:18AM EST (#102)
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Wolf shouldn't be impossible to run with software OGL.
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:1)
by orangesquid (benatrfdhvq@ubgznvy.pbz |rot13) on Wednesday November 10, @04:54AM EST (#112)
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I have (according to the manufacturere at least) a "3D chip" on my motherboard-video card (ewwww) - I looked at it, it's an ATI Rage 3D II (Mach64-based) - however, it's from the pre-3dfx days... does anyone know if I could get this working with Mesa in any way?
As soon as he releases the source, I'll port it to SGI, btw - I also may do a port to SVGALib/VGAGL so it will rely on accelerated cards instead of GL-based cards.
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Re:3D Only??? (Score:1)
by drew (cattand at charlie.cns.iit.edu) on Wednesday November 10, @05:24PM EST (#157)
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ati cards have fairly decent hardware 3d in windows. however, until very recently, they refused to release any of the 3d specs to their cards to open source driver authors. as such, it will be a while before you are able to get any kind of hardware 3d out of your ati card in linux. you will be able to compile mesa and run it just fine, but you won't get any hardware acceleration. in windows, it would probably do ok, although i never used mine for 3d much. when i traded in my ati 3d rage pro, they had just released gl drivers that allowed you to play glquake at an almost reasonable frame rate.
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Nostalgia? (Score:1)
by Ctl-Alt-Del on Tuesday November 09, @08:41PM EST (#5)
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So, is this intended just as a nostalgia trip, or will this version be enhanced somehow?
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moderate this up - I'd like to know the answer! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:06PM EST (#25)
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moderate this up... I'd like to know the answer!
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Re:Nostalgia? (Score:1)
by Bishop on Wednesday November 10, @08:57AM EST (#134)
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On the web page it specifically states that he intends to keep close to the original.
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Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by Serf (matthews@softhome.net) on Tuesday November 09, @08:43PM EST (#6)
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I'd still be happier if this were a LinuxGL port of Commander Keen.
(Not because Keen particularly needs to be GL, but because it would mean that the series hadn't _entirely_ dropped off the face of the Earth.)
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by solar on Tuesday November 09, @09:20PM EST (#35)
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Why not ask those classy fellows at Loki Entertainment Software to port it to Linux I sent them an email asking for a Linux port of Blizzard's StarCraft and I recieved this reply within a couple of hours: >Please port StarCraft by Blizzard to Linux. Blizzard has taken a "wait and see" approach to Linux gaming. If the sales numbers are up there for our current releases, then they will be more willing to negotiate with us to port their great titles to Linux. We hope you'll be happy with our upcoming announcements. We expect to port 16 titles next year alone. Cheers, Kayt Sorhaindoh
Loki Entertainment Software So lets all buy up the current selection and lure more gaming companies to Linux! And Wolfenstein was and still is awesome :)
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starcraft (Score:1)
by delmoi (delmoi at hot mail dot com) on Tuesday November 09, @10:59PM EST (#89)
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I belive that starcraft runs unmodified on linux under wine
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Re:starcraft (Score:1)
by solar on Wednesday November 10, @08:12AM EST (#126)
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Yes, I've run Starcraft under WINE as well. WINE has a noticable slowing down effect on my K6200 w/32Mb system as compared to when I was running Starcraft on Windows 95b. IMHO, it is always more desirable to run games on their native platform. More Linux games! Cheers
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by joshua_doesnt_know on Tuesday November 09, @09:23PM EST (#36)
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I would like to see a port of the 2D version, and also the original Duke Nukem 2D games, which I loved. Heck, I would like to see all of the old apogee games on Linux. Open the source!
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by Thrakkerzog on Tuesday November 09, @09:38PM EST (#50)
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I'm not sure that would do much good. I believe they were written in Pascal. ;-)
So.. we'd probably need some of the borland graphics stuff for it to work..
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @09:54PM EST (#63)
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There's a GNU Pascal project that's based on GCC (and, last I heard, work is being done to merge it with egcs/gcc). It has supports most, if not all, of the Borland language extensions and I think there was support for the graphics library at the API level (NOTE, it's been two years since I've been involved, I just grabed the URL, not read the page).
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @10:05PM EST (#71)
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The site I originally read this at is down (Cerebral Cortex 314, the front page is still cached at google). But, as I understood it Keen's creators were working misc. programming jobs at a software company under a boss who would only allow them to code in asm. One day one of the group found a way to do a smooth sideways screen scroll then that night they cloned the first level of Mario Bros. in the next few days they turned out a few episodes of a game called Dangerous Dave. And soon after the Keen storyline was thought up in their spare time....using C.
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by delmoi (delmoi at hot mail dot com) on Tuesday November 09, @11:01PM EST (#90)
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Keen was made by John Carmack and the other people who founded Id software. I don't know if the source was ever relised, though
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by Phexro on Wednesday November 10, @01:21AM EST (#103)
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Actually, as I was looking at Debian weekly news, and saw that there was a GPL'd (not sure - but Open Source) Turbo Pascal compatible compiler. There's also a free port of the old Borland Turbo Vision library. This sort of thing makes me quite happy, as my first programming experience was with Borland Turbo Pascal.
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @11:51AM EST (#144)
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Original games (Shadow Knights, Dangerous Dave, Keen 1: Marooned on Mars) were written in Turbo C 2.0 + some very good EGA specific assembler routies. Basically you do not know a shit about how slow Borland EGAVGA stuff was, so I would suggest you shut the fuck up and stop being so authorative. (spell is bad, but that's not the point).
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by err head (Fo_Ming@Mouth) on Tuesday November 09, @10:04PM EST (#70)
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Duke Nuke'em 2 ruled over keen! moderate this down
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:1)
by kgcurrie on Wednesday November 10, @07:31AM EST (#123)
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Has anyone ever tried to ask ID about the source for the Keens? I mailed ID once about it, but never got a reply. Anyone else asked and recieved an answer? I'm upset because they simply aren't playable on my system anymore (the screen is too jerky) under dosemu or even straight dos for that matter. I'd be willing to learn DGA and get those games going under X if I could get some source.
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Re:Keen 3D! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @11:54AM EST (#145)
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This is actually a damn good question. There is no reason why they should keep these old EGA routines UNLESS they know something we don't and even now, after all these year they do not want to release it. Personally I find Keen4,5,6 pretty playable these days as well. In fact, the whole glory of iD Software started with Commander Keen, so, if you read it now, release the source, make it free, show your glory to people!
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Barneystein (Score:1)
by .patrick on Tuesday November 09, @08:44PM EST (#8)
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Wolfenstein was a great game in it's own right but it also had a cool patch someone created called Barneystein. It was for the shareware version and it turned all the Nazis into Beavis and Butthead and turned the final boss into Barney, plus it changed all the wall tiles, etc. I haven't been able to find it though. :-( Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. .patrick
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Re:Barneystein (Score:1)
by joshua_doesnt_know on Tuesday November 09, @09:26PM EST (#41)
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All of those mods were done by editing the map file and the data files that contained the images. I remember having a dos editor to import images into the map file. Maybe if you find a still running BBS they would have it laying around. Thats where you used to find tons of stuff like that in the good ol BBS days.
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Re:Barneystein (Score:1)
by Bargearse (dont@email.me.pls) on Friday November 12, @04:39PM EST (#166)
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I think i might still have it lying around on disk somewhere at home... if there's enough interest i might put it up for download (and cripple my ISP with the slashdot effect... well maybe not :P)
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Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by mvw (van.woerkom@netcologne.de) on Tuesday November 09, @08:45PM EST (#9)
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| Hah. The original Wolfenstein was a fantastic game for the Apple ][ by a company named Muse who also did that Robot Wars game. Wolfenstein was a 2d maze game, but very cool because these folks managed to use the Apple ]{ sound system (write a memory address and the speaker goes click, do it often and you get a sound :) to play sound bits, like "Achtung!". Still gives me the chills. There also was a nice successor, Wolfenstein II. Hah, I must have them both, with two //c's deep down in my dungeon..er cellar. :)
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @08:51PM EST (#15)
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Actually, the Apple ][ speaker was slightly more complicated than that: reading the port made it click once (ie its driver toggled from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0), but writing the port made the speaker click twice (ie a brief pulse from 0 to 1 back to 0 or 1 to 0 back to 1, depending on it's initial value). This allowed for a sligh ammount of volume control which obviously worked well enough for games such as Wolfenstein and Sea Dragon.
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by gellor on Tuesday November 09, @08:58PM EST (#19)
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Hmm...Wonder if Carmack was involved in that in any way...
I know he started off professionaly doing IIgs stuffs. The guy who got me started in computers was a BIG IIgshead (to the point of hating Macs for killing off his beloved IIgs) and apparantly talked code and such with Carmack on various occasions.
My guess is that at minimum the Apple ][ version was an infulence on Wolf 3D.
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Macs didnt kill off the IIgs (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @10:31PM EST (#81)
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Apple killed off the GS...
John Sculley killed off the GS...
there was a quote from Guy Kawasaki I used to have
in my .sig block that went something like: "The mac didnt turn a profit until 1989, until then the
Apple II was paying our way.
I remember when c.s.a2 really was buzzing, like 200+ messages per day (1989-1993 or so)
Hey, If I ever came into a billion bucks, I'd bring it back -- in clone form.
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Robot Wars (Score:2)
by NovaX (maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) on Tuesday November 09, @09:05PM EST (#24)
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Funny you bring it up.. just wrote my own bot for robot wars, nice little guy.
If you want a 'inspired' version, for DOS (haven't tried it under dosemu, but doubt any problems) go here: http://www.iit.edu/~acm/robotwars/
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by astrosmash (astrosmash@DIE_SPAM_DIE.yahoo.com) on Tuesday November 09, @10:54PM EST (#87)
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| [tick] [tick] [tick] [tick] Some of my fondest childhood memories revolve around Castle Wolfenstien. [tick] [tick] I have always considered the C64 version to be the better Castel Wolfenstein. I could never get the Apple version to work for very long. (I still can't actually, emulations and all) I remeber being really dissapointed when Wolfenstein 3D came out. I was expecting a strategy game, not a shoot 'em up... That's what the beauty of Castle Wolfenstien was; you couldn't just run into a room and start blasting everyone or you'd get thoses crazy SS's after you, then you'd be dead. And you don't want to die because it takes so damn long for the game to re-load. Ahh the memories... [halt!] [comm-enn-zee]
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @11:23PM EST (#93)
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YES! I remember that and it drives me crazy when people talk about Wolf3D being the first Wolfenstein. *sigh* Guess its time to dig out the old Apple ][e out of storage....
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @08:26AM EST (#130)
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For a nostalgia boost follow to http://jollyrogers.com/cwhome.html
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @12:00PM EST (#146)
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Hell yes. In fact, my Apple ][ is still working and I might just go play Wolfy right now. This was definately the best game of its time!
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Re:Anyone remembers the original Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by Q*bert (Don'tSpamqweaver@vovida.com) on Wednesday November 10, @06:47PM EST (#160)
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| Oddly enough, I found the C64 sound was much more comprehensible than the PC Wolfenstein 3D sound (actually, make that the DOOM ][ Wolfenstein level sound; I never played the original). Just what the hack were those guards saying? Anyone know?
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heh (Score:1)
by Microlith on Tuesday November 09, @08:45PM EST (#10)
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Oh what those programmers will do in their spare time!
Just played it in Windows... It definitely adds something. It's obvious the conversion was difficult, as the Z is really off (hey, it makes the game as nerve wracking as it was when I first played it!)
Now what we need is id (3DRealms now owns it) to go through/let us go through and update the graphics. The old 320x240 (was it that high?) graphics don't fare to well when bilinearlly(sp) filtered.
Quake would still make a better sysadmin tool than Doom would, IMO.
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Re:heh (Score:1)
by suitcase on Tuesday November 09, @09:00PM EST (#21)
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Wolf ran in 320x200. Looked sharp in the day didnt it?
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Re:heh (Score:1)
by Microlith on Tuesday November 09, @09:14PM EST (#33)
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Yes, and it flew on my 386/33!
Imagine my suprise when I heard it with sound. "Mein Lieben!"
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Re:heh (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:41PM EST (#54)
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If I remember right, it was 150x100 (or something hellishly small like that) doubled to 320x200. There might have been an option to turn that off and actually render at 320x240, I haven't played the game in so many years...
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Re:heh (Score:1)
by suitcase on Tuesday November 09, @09:46PM EST (#57)
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Maybe thats why the handgun was so damn pixelated!
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Coincidence? I think not! (Score:3, Funny)
by Keelor (keelor at zombieworld.com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:46PM EST (#11)
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| This doesn't have anything to do with the next news item about Nazi code breaking, does it? ;p ~=Keelor
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How about the *ORIGINAL* Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by Arctic Fox (charyna at ellipsys dot com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:47PM EST (#12)
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Remember the overhead "dungeon" Wolfenstein?
It ran on an XT and was a little stick figure of a character....but the story was the same.
Good stuff!
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Re:How about the *ORIGINAL* Wolfenstein? (Score:1)
by Keelor (keelor at zombieworld.com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:51PM EST (#16)
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| Ah... the good old days. Apple ][e for me, though. I remember blowing through walls with grenades (and they say that blowing up walls is a major accomplishment in an engine ;) ), getting a uniform so that I could just walk right past every guard, and the dreaded SS that could see through your uniform and practically took a grenade to kill. Like I said, the good old days. ~=Keelor
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Re:How about the *ORIGINAL* Wolfenstein? (Score:2)
by mvw (van.woerkom@netcologne.de) on Tuesday November 09, @09:25PM EST (#39)
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| Apple ][ was great. That the modern PC became so successful was because of the open hardware concept taken from the Apple ][ (slots / expansion cards, machines available from 3rd) plus a bunch of very useful apps like Visicalc (the original spreadsheet), wordstar etc. For me the IBM PC was just a better Apple ][, while Apple tried to take our freedom away with those darned closed Macintosh systems. I am still a passionate Mac hater because of this.
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That's okay... (Score:1)
by True Dork (admin at truedork dot net) on Tuesday November 09, @10:03PM EST (#69)
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I'm a passionate Mac hater due to small details like... oh I dunno.. MAC OS!@#!@#! and having to support it on a mostly Windows network.
/me hides and waits for the the Mac greeblies to attack! Sorry. After rebooting it a few times today, it had to be said. (Score 0: Offtopic)
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Oh my god... (Score:1)
by RodStewart (robswin[at]hempseed.com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:47PM EST (#13)
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I'm gamer, and i have to say as novelty things go this takes the cake. well done to id for releasing the code, well done to whoever did this. now if only john romero would release daikatana, and let john carmack release the quake source. thats when the real shit starts.
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LeoCAD ... cool (Score:1)
by Filter on Tuesday November 09, @08:54PM EST (#17)
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check out the cool link at the bottom of the page.
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Re:LeoCAD ... cool (Score:1)
by Richard Phillips on Tuesday November 09, @11:41PM EST (#95)
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Yup, really suprised me that this was the same guy, as I've used LeoCad for months. All those bricks I never had! Now if we can convince him to port to X...
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Reading everything helps... (Score:1)
by Richard Phillips on Tuesday November 09, @11:51PM EST (#97)
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I guess a link to the linux version would be the key...
Ouch
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Re:LeoCAD ... cool (Score:1)
by lmz on Wednesday November 10, @08:22AM EST (#128)
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Try
this page
You don't have to convince me of anything
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Re:LeoCAD ... cool (Score:1)
by CrayDrygu on Wednesday November 10, @07:28AM EST (#122)
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I saw the screenshots, and immediately had to download this program. Now I can play with legos without ever leaving my computer *grin*
It's a little awkward getting used to moving the pieces around... trying to move things in three dimensions with a 2-d input device. The keyboard definitely comes in handy.
Hmm... I think I'll dig out some of my old lego instruction booklets, if I can find them... and download POV-Ray again... =)
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concdence? possibly... (Score:1)
by Drath (drtetsuo@hotmail.com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:57PM EST (#18)
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Wow. 2 articals about Nazis in a row.. think about it people.
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Wish List (Score:1)
by exeunt (fugazi@spam.me.and.die.exeunt.com) on Tuesday November 09, @08:59PM EST (#20)
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I hope it still cusses at you in German, and have all those cool aditions, like BarneyDoom, and maybe a few others, like change the knife or fists (been to long) into a pitch fork, being used by the FreeBSD devil.
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Re:Wish List (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @09:04PM EST (#23)
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It's a knife in Wolfenstein, fist and chainsaw in Doom, axe in Quake I, don't know in Quake II (never played it) and some sort of wierd gauntlet thing in q3. Hmm, Heretic used a staff plus those guantlets of necromancy (cool sound:), and Duke3d used his boot, but I don't know about the others.
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Re:Wish List (Score:1)
by exeunt (fugazi@spam.me.and.die.exeunt.com) on Tuesday November 09, @09:08PM EST (#29)
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Ohhh yeah... Quake 2 used a peashooter (what I liked to call it) it was basicly a low powered pistol with unlimited ammo. Correction on my post, Barneystien, not BarneyDoom, been a long day, heh...
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Re:Wish List (Score:1)
by randombit (ysyblpq@napz.wuhm.rqh) on Tuesday November 09, @09:19PM EST (#34)
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It's a knife in Wolfenstein, fist and chainsaw in Doom, axe in Quake I, don't know in Quake II (never played it)
Quake II had this little blaster thing. It never runs out of ammo, but it's pretty wussy. I'd take a chainsaw or an axe any day.
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Re:Wish List (Score:2)
by Bill Currie (bill@taniwha.org) on Tuesday November 09, @09:34PM EST (#46)
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yeah, the axe with quad damage will kibble a zombie.
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Re:Wish List - What would be extremely kewl (Score:1)
by The_Myth (The_Myth76@@hotmail.com) on Tuesday November 09, @10:38PM EST (#82)
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A toolkit for altering the faces of the Nazi's to prominent people. The Brown Shirts could be the 'Stef' (see http://userfriendly.org/static marketing people from the top floor who have actually no clue, while the Bosses could be those people on the board while the eleite guards that ran around in white could be the finance department
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Hollywood Flashback (Score:1)
by intrico on Tuesday November 09, @09:02PM EST (#22)
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Wow, I remember back in 1995 when I was watching Congo, being somewhat appalled that the guy at the beginning was playing Wolfenstein 3D on a Silicon Graphics machine (At the time, I thought that was like using an F-16 jet plane to go to the grocery store a few blocks away). Also of course, back then I aon't think was much aware of OpenGL. Now that SGI is shipping Intel boxes with Redhat Linux, I'm now believing that the scene I saw in Congo was realistic after all!
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Re:Hollywood Flashback (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:07PM EST (#27)
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Wolf3d has already been ported to Linux I think I don't remember the urls tho..
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Re:Hollywood Flashback - the net (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @02:48AM EST (#110)
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If I am not misstaken they played Wolfenstein in "the Net" to ... it was supposed to be a killer cool game ... ehh right ... only a few years old by then but hey ....
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For those with MesaGL (Score:4, Informative)
by F2F (face2f@yahoo.com) on Tuesday November 09, @09:07PM EST (#26)
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The game links versus libGL.so.1, and for those of you who don't have the original GLs it will report an error.
Well, if it does, you will need to softlink a libGL.so.1 file in /usr/lib (at least my RH6.0 rpm has put them there) to libMesa.so.3.
Here is the command I issued:
ln -s /usr/lib/libMesa.so.3 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
I hope it helps those who still remember it ;)
Rgrdz
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Re:For those with MesaGL (Score:1)
by F2F (face2f@yahoo.com) on Tuesday November 09, @09:08PM EST (#30)
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Oh yeah, pardon my english :)
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Re:For those with MesaGL (Score:1)
by herbman on Tuesday November 09, @09:25PM EST (#38)
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let it be known, that since mesa 3.1 beta 3, it installs itself as libGL and libGLU, not libMesaGL and libMesaGLU anymore.
-herb
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Re:For those with MesaGL (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @03:14PM EST (#152)
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I tried this but it doesn't work very well.... It run , but i have something like 70secondes/frame ..even in the first menu: i hit a key , drink a coffee, and then the blinky gun cursor has moved. How and where can we get the original libGL.so.1? A+
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Non-Free? (Score:1, Flamebait)
by Amphigory (patrick at extremehope dot organization) on Tuesday November 09, @09:08PM EST (#28)
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So how much karma will you give me, huh Taco?
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somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:1)
by Xtacy on Tuesday November 09, @09:11PM EST (#31)
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will this play fullscreen? damn banshee drivers only do acceleration in full screen :( anyone know if this is going to change? would be nice to have openGL xmms plugins work smoothly :)
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:1)
by herbman on Tuesday November 09, @09:26PM EST (#40)
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i have a voodoo3, and it works absolutely fine in fullscreen. :)
-herb
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:1)
by BigJack on Wednesday November 10, @01:21AM EST (#104)
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Do you have the 320x200 (or whatever) mode defined in XF86Config? Cause I don't and whatever I do I can't get it working fullscreen... even MESA_GLX_FX="fullscreen" doesn't work...
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @01:45AM EST (#105)
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I am having the same problem. I even defined a 320X200 and 320X240 mode and tested them. Then did an exposrt MESA_GLX_FX="fullscreen" and still only the windowed version.
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @02:33AM EST (#109)
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I had this problem, until I tried not only setting the MESA_GLX_FX var, but also specifying a width and height that correspond to any modelines I have set...
e.g.
wolfgl -width 640 -height 480
Of course, now I have a new problem: it likes to crash whenever I try to start a "new game." I haven't made it work yet...
Oh well.
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @05:51PM EST (#159)
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If it segfaulted when you went to open the door or fire the pistol (ie. make a noise), you might be able to fix it by setting the sound off and then immediately resetting it back to SB16. Some sort of initialisation thing. I have a Vibra16 Soundblaster, worked for me.
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Re:somewhat ontopic i hope :) (Score:1)
by Luke B. Bishop (nanosoft@nanosoft.hypermart.net) on Tuesday November 09, @10:02PM EST (#68)
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| Yes, the nice people at Precision Insights are working on getting DRI to allow you to run 3D in-a-window on Banshee/V3 hardware (the two cards are almost identical, except for the extra TMU and raw speed). This all hits when XFree86 4.0 comes out. Plus a bunch of other neat stuff.
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The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:5, Insightful)
by ndnet on Tuesday November 09, @09:13PM EST (#32)
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I loved Wolfenstein 3d. When I was 8, and got my first 386 (a system that could run windows!) I ran this game first. That first night, with the computer just sitting on a ottoman (hadn't moved the 8088 yet), I sat there wondering about this cool game. I played until late into the night.
Eventually I beat it, and moved on. It did, however, make me look back onto a piece of my own heritage, as my grandmother had been forced to work in a concentration camp.
Now I'm playing Quake2. It took a long time to get it working because of stupid NT and a long lapse from all gaming. But it's not the same.
My question is simple. Why not recreate it with the Q2 engine? I'm no graphic artist, but someone with The Gimp should easily be able to revamp them.
Why wolf3d? I think the biggest difference between wolf3d and other 3d games of today is the storyline. While Quake and such have nice get-outta-my-way-I-would-rather-be-causing-pain simple plots, Wolfenstein had something more. It was a trip into our past. It put us into battle with the evil so many had hated, been hurt by, or fought to destroy. It put so many into a position of power where there had been none, and inspired many games to come. Anyway, there was no instant death BFG or rocket launcher. It was all so realistic.
That's all for now, but I might think of something and reply to my own post. Live with it.
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3d Modeling vs. 2d sprites (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:34PM EST (#47)
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ouch - no, couldn't be done by editing the pictures with the Gimp (yet - maybe after another couple plugins come out)
You need something like 3D Studio Max to do that, because the Quake/Q2 engine uses 3d models. Wolf3d used a 2d flat picture that it painted over the background. There's no easy conversion. It would take a while to recreate something like that using the Q2 engine...
not that that should stop anybody from trying... :)
I believe there is at least one 3d modeler available for Linux that can export to a .md2 file (Quake2 model format). I'm pretty sure I've seen it on Freshmeat or something like that somewhere, so it is a possibility.
Any aspiring q2 mod-makers out there, how about doing a mod that turns Q2 into Wolf3d?
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Re:3d Modeling vs. 2d sprites (Score:1)
by yeoua on Tuesday November 09, @10:22PM EST (#78)
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Too late, it got shot down due to legal reasons.
It was called Generations, it had wolf, doom, q1, and q2 in q2... and they were going to convert not only the deathmatch, but also the single player maps... i still have the player models, but not the maps and stuff anymore...
yeoua
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Re:3d Modeling vs. 2d sprites (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @07:23AM EST (#121)
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You can make your own skins in Quake 1, I think this is also available in Q2, so why not trying a copy/paste to use the same caracters ? Of course, for the weapons, the wall textures, the sound,etc... it's a different story. Making add-ons isn't THAT hard, it's just time consuming.
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Re:3d Modeling vs. 2d sprites (Score:0)
by infojack on Wednesday November 10, @09:46AM EST (#140)
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It doesn't work, they tried it in doom or quake 1, they had a wolfenstien level and it was majorly distorted. converting wolf over to quake just won't work.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by goon (goonmail@NOnetspace.SPAMnet.PLZMAMau) on Tuesday November 09, @09:44PM EST (#56)
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My question is simple. Why not recreate it with the Q2 engine? I'm no graphic artist, but someone with The Gimp should easily be able to revamp them.
I just this line... 'should easily be able to revamp them'... lot's of things are easy in s/w in theory... but still it's nice idea.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by suitcase on Tuesday November 09, @09:48PM EST (#59)
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My grandpa BJ regaled me with stories about his escape from the dungeons of Wolfenstein. I'm suprised they based a game on it.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by samoht on Tuesday November 09, @10:42PM EST (#83)
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For a Q2 style game that's got a similar storyline and feel to Wolf3D, go have a look at http://www.mortyr.com.pl and http://www.mortyr.net. Windows only I'm afraid, but it seems to be strongly influenced by Wolf3D.
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Sorry, but... (Score:1)
by ffatTony on Tuesday November 09, @10:53PM EST (#86)
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Wolfenstein had something more. It was a trip into our past. It put us into battle with the evil so many had hated, been hurt by, or fought to destroy. Wolfenstein was a very fun game, but to say it has a creative/good storyline is going way too far. The nazi aspect was just a clever design implimentation that made the game more noticable. Ask most people (my friends atleast) what they remember about Wolf3d and they'll talk about killing dogs, people, what have you.... protecting the world from the Nazi's was the furthest thing from their minds. It put so many into a position of power where there had been none, and inspired many games to come. I agree here, but I think doom was the game that truly inspired other first person shooters. Mainly because of its potential for homegrown addons and because the subject matter was more universal. Good or not it is easier for most people to hate demons, imps, and the undead, while having difficulty hating even video game people. Anyway, there was no instant death BFG or rocket launcher. It was all so realistic. More realistic? How far have you gotten in the game? Am I remembering incorrectly or did Hitler have some kind of vulcan-cannon clad bipedal death machine in the final (?) level? This is a little unrealistic don't you think?
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Re:Sorry, but... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @02:30AM EST (#108)
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What did you sleep through history class? Hitler's scientists developed the "bipedal armored suit of gatling gun death" to protect him. Now where they really fell down on the historical accuracy is that hitler was NOT in fact killed by BJ the american soldier. In reality, he choked on his own vomit after downing a fifth of vodka and shooting heroin. DUH.
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*LOL* (Score:1)
by ffatTony on Thursday November 11, @03:20PM EST (#164)
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AC's are the best!
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by StimpyBoy (astapins@N.O.S.P.A.M.uoguelph.ca) on Tuesday November 09, @11:16PM EST (#92)
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It's been announced that Xatrix (makers of Kingpin) have been licenced by id to create Wolf2000, using the Quake3 engine.
Close enough? :)
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by xHost (stewarta.public@home.nospam.com) on Wednesday November 10, @05:47AM EST (#115)
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Try Playing Half Life, great graphics, good story, less filling.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @06:00AM EST (#116)
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No to be a cynic, but I don't see how this post got a 5... Wolfenstein is a simple, unrealistic, 3d looking (not even true 3d) shoot-em up, not a thesis on humanity's dark past. I'd suspect that if you had lived in the harsh conditions of WWII you'd find a comparison to a videogame (with characters that have gatling guns instead of hands , how's that for realism) rather offensive.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:2)
by Hard_Code on Wednesday November 10, @08:13AM EST (#127)
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Yes, Wolf3d had atmosphere, macabre...something todays games don't. You could really feel you were actually IN the heart of the 3rd Reich...a lot of it was actually the feel of /exploring/.
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Wow... now I feel old... (Score:2, Interesting)
by Croaker (sd@wrSitPerAteMch.net (remove S P A M)) on Wednesday November 10, @08:54AM EST (#132)
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*My* nostalgic memories are based on the original Castle Wolfenstein, which came out for the Apple II in... uh... the early 80's some time. It was 2D, of course, and the graphics... well... not all that great. But it managed to actually have sound beyond the usual bleeps and bloops. Guards actually shouted "Halt!" The dreaded SS officers shouted "Halt! SS." All in hi-fidelity 1-bit sound :)
It was a neat puzzle solving game. In many ways, the FPSs of today follow the same plot... find a key, open doors, find ammo and grenades. Kill wandering guards... I'm not sure that's a great comment on today's games...
Ah, well, maybe it's time to unpack the old Apple II for a trip down memory lane...
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The importance of games availability. (Score:1)
by Edwin Oostra (jimmy@mud.nu) on Wednesday November 10, @08:55AM EST (#133)
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It is pivotal for the acceptance of Linux as valid alternative to Windows that a reasonable percentage of games will also be available for that platform. Not just the old games but the newest games too, eventhough it's great to go through Castle Wolfenstein again. Quite a lot of my friends, who do all their work on linux, still have windows installed on a seperate partition just to be able to play games. As long as new games won't be available on linux, it will never be capable of getting a huge market share at the expense of windows. The monopoly position of windows is still untouched if everyone keeps linux NEXT to windows. There are of course people who will now argue that people are more mature than to pick their operating system on the fact that games are available for that OS. Don't forget that the video-standard battle was finally won by the standard for video-tapes on which more porn was available. It's a bit of a crude paralel, but it does show that seemingly, secondary factor, of pleasurable things available, weighs heavier then one normally thinks.
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Re:The memories... can new ones be made? (Score:1)
by hank (ahdiii@NOSPAM.webspan.net) on Wednesday November 10, @04:08PM EST (#154)
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Just the other day (within 2 weeks probably), I was pouring over my usual daily websites and I found a story about a company creating Wolfenstein 2000. A 3D version of the game based on a MUCH newer engine - my guess Q2, Q3. Wolfenstein was an id game, so if id Software is making it, they might have a Q3-based game. Anyways, it'll probably sell lots of copies. I can't wait.
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What about Blake?! (Score:1)
by Ravagin (sapientpearwood@usa.net) on Tuesday November 09, @09:23PM EST (#37)
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I think that Blake Stone is being seriously neglected in all the hooplah about Wolfenstein. I personally liked Stone much more than Wolf. (For those of you who don't know, Blake Stone was made after Wolf3D with much of the same code but multitudinous improvements)
Forget Germans screaming things at you, you can't beat the bald guy who periodically materializes to boom, 'Hohoho! You'll never catch me, Stone!' Then he shoots at you, and dematerializes with a cry of, 'Hahahaha!' And the Biotechs who wonder around, saying thoughtful things like, 'Is that thing loaded?', 'Only guards should have guns! You're a bad man!', and 'I've never mutated a Stone before!'
Anyway, that's my tirade. I think, though, that Stone deserves a port just as much as Wolf, if not more.
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Re:What about Blake?! (Score:1)
by Edmund (edmundw@sympatico.ca) on Tuesday November 09, @10:01PM EST (#67)
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Blake Stone was released only a few months before DOOM. DOOM comes and whoops Blake Stone's ass bigtime. Any questions?
P.S. Anybody see the parallelism between the Blake Stone peashooter and the Quake 2 peashooter?
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Re:What about Blake?! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @02:41PM EST (#151)
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I would like to add that Wolf3D technology was licensed by iD to these poor guys and they tried to claim that BlakeStone is better then DOOM (or was it Corridor7? It was crap anyway). Thing is, after DOOM, any wolf3D based stuff was completely unplayable. Just for the record it seems to me that the only guys who were successful at licensing technology from ID and made some money of it were Raven (Heretic/Hexen), all the rest fscked up (Daikatana, anyone?). As aside note, rememberign the past, one guy created a Wolf3D clone soon after ID, it was called I think Search for Sparki (dog), rather crappy, BUT, this guy later developed Build engine for 3D Realms (I believe he was British and he moved to the USA), and his name was Ken Silverman, cheers.
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Re:What about Blake?! (Score:1)
by Edmund (edmundw@sympatico.ca) on Wednesday November 10, @10:47PM EST (#161)
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Valve seems to be raking in a pretty large sum of money....
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linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:26PM EST (#42)
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wow, now 3d games coming to linux...what more proof do the big boys need?
linux 3d/opengl is top notch, it makes crummy sun machines look pathetic, and while sgi invented opengl, linux perfected it.
opengl/linux makes the latest sgi machines look like a 286 with CGA graphics. its faster, more robust and scales by up to 350% more.
apps like the gimp and blender just round out the 3d powerhouse that linux has become.
real world proof? Titanic was rendered on linux. enough said.
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Choosy mothers choose JIF! (Score:1)
by SkyWriter on Tuesday November 09, @09:40PM EST (#53)
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You're obviously ignorant of the fact that SGI
graphics performace with blender buries
Linux PC's. Even Windows does!
I run 'em all.... and linux finishes last in
all but rendering... of course _any_ machine
can do that.
More linux hype for the next millenium
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:51PM EST (#60)
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Um, their is like almost no hardware opengl drivers for linux. Mesa is great, but most of us are running it all through software which really sucks.
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:1)
by VinceJH (vharvey@[SPAM]enteract.com) on Wednesday November 10, @05:08PM EST (#156)
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They have drivers for most of the big chip makers, NVidia, G400, and 3dfx. Some are slow, but they are there. And notice I said most, as there is no complete driver for ATI, or whatever oddball chip you may have on your card. But saying there are almost no hardware drivers is bullshit.
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @10:24PM EST (#79)
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but while Mesa is an incredible creation by all means, it pales compared to a real OpenGL implementation. I am an avid Linux user, and in fact only use Windows for Starcraft . [ yes, it plays under wine. no, it does not do so reliably ] However, q3test runs 50% faster under Windows on the same machine/hardware than under Linux. To be more specific, I get about 38fps under Linux, 60 under windows. The same is true for UT, q1/2, bfris, and any other GL game out there. And yes, I've tweaked. EXTENSIVELY. I really can't wait for a true OpenGL, or some major improvements to Mesa.
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @06:19AM EST (#119)
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Um. you must be using software rendering on the linux side. My linux Mesa-on-top-of-voodoo-glide is a HELL of a lot faster than windoze
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:1)
by escher (escher@schwap.drizzle.com) on Wednesday November 10, @11:21AM EST (#143)
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I have to agree. I finally bought Quake2 for Linux and it beats the pants off of the Win95 version. (Voodoo2 accelleration)
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Re:linux IS the OpenGL platform of choice (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @01:31PM EST (#148)
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Sorry, but nope. I'm using straight hardware acceleration. The setup: Dual PII-450/256MB Dual Voodoo2 8mb in SLI mode Consistently, windows runs faster, with better detail as well. (iow: I don't have to turn down the detail/textures as much in Windows to get a good framerate)
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HAHAHAHA! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @07:50AM EST (#125)
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"wow, now 3d games coming to linux...what more proof do the big boys need?" You think a port of a seven year old game is going to somehow make "the big boys" rethink their stance on linux? LOL... keep dreamin'
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Did somebody say CAD? (Score:1)
by Keck (nsmith@DieSpamDie.ecl.udel.edu) on Tuesday November 09, @09:28PM EST (#43)
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Isn't it funny that at the same site as Linux-Wolfenstein, there's a link at the bottom of the page for a linux CAD program hosted at the same site, right after /.'s big CAD discussion this morning?
Well I thought it was funny...
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Re:Did somebody say CAD? (Score:1)
by Octorian on Tuesday November 09, @10:19PM EST (#76)
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Yes, LeoCAD. It's not a normal CAD program. It's a program for modeling Legos on your PC. I once used the Windows version. It's very sluggish, but easy to use and has a nice interface.
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How to tell what version? (Score:1)
by antdude on Tuesday November 09, @09:30PM EST (#44)
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Anyways, I have the full version, but I don't remember what version I am using! Uhhh, no readmes and stuff. How do I tell?
Has anyone tried this WolfGL with the full version yet? It doesn't seem to work for me, but then I might have an older version.
Thanks! :)
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Re:How to tell what version? (Score:1)
by relnev on Tuesday November 09, @09:39PM EST (#52)
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what are the filenames? .wl1 = wolf3d ep1 shareware .wl3 = wolf3d first 3 episodes .wl6 = wolf3d all 6 episodes .sdm = spear of destiny demo .sod = spear of destiny the final versions have audiohed, audiot, gamemaps, maphead, vgadict, vgagraph, vgahead, and vswap 305891 vgagraph.sdm 947979 vgagraph.sod 326568 vgagraph.wl1 275774 vgagraph.wl6 Here is the latest shareware version: ftp://ftp.gamers.org/pub/games/wolf3d/official/1wolf14.zip
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Re:How to tell what version? (Score:1)
by antdude on Tuesday November 09, @10:09PM EST (#74)
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They're .wl6, but the question is what version do I have? I couldn't find any v1.4 patch for the full version! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
Bah, I can't play the shareware in fullscreen GL with my Voodoo2 card. Argh!
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Re:How to tell what version? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:42PM EST (#55)
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Nope.. WOLFGL caused an invalid page fault in module WOLFGL.EXE at 017f:00402ba2. Registers: EAX=0044fe84 CS=017f EIP=00402ba2 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=00580000 SS=0187 ESP=0068fdd0 EBP=0068fe38 ECX=00000000 DS=0187 ESI=817975f8 FS=4367 EDX=00000000 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 8b 51 0c 3b c2 8b 77 10 75 06 89 3d 88 2f 45 00 Stack dump: 00000000 817975f8 0040423a 0044fe84 0040e089 0040e51a 00410149 00421c70 00000000 817975f8 0040e661 004126a3 00000001 008102c0 008102e0 00000000
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Re:How to tell what version? (Score:1)
by rappybaby (slashdot@rapmund.com) on Tuesday November 09, @10:17PM EST (#75)
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Look in the bottom right corner of the red screen you get when you first start the game - the version number should be written there. Not that it matters, WolfGL will only work with the shareware version, not the full one.
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Re:How to tell what version? (Score:1)
by antdude on Tuesday November 09, @10:44PM EST (#85)
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Yeah, I just tried that shareware idea since it only took me 5 minutes to download. I remember it taking over an hour on my 2400 modem! Wahh!
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Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual (Score:1)
by Refried Beans (straznp@.nospam.clarkson.edu) on Tuesday November 09, @09:39PM EST (#51)
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I guess my Debian system isn't configured correctly. I have a TNT2 and I'm running potato. What do I need to do to get this running?
Thanks,
Nate
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II have the same configuration (Score:2)
by aheitner on Tuesday November 09, @09:52PM EST (#62)
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The TNT2 Xserver that comes with potato AFAIK doesn't yet include the 3D stuff.
Even if it does, you still need to get a copy of mesa installed. I see a debian packages listed for Mesa-Glide, but none for Mesa-TNT. So you'll probably need to do what I did: download the binary drivers from nVidia (you can get source if you feel like it). Put the libGL in the appropriate place, and you should probably also uninstall your Xserver package and just put the XF86_SVGA that comes with the nVidia drivers in place.
It has worked fine for me since day one :)
still waiting for X 4 and DRI...
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Re:II have the same configuration (Score:1)
by z4ce on Tuesday November 09, @10:42PM EST (#84)
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Add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://non-us.debian.org/~crow/ glx-potato/
type apt-get install glx-nv
apt-get install libgl
yeeha. there you go. I can't get my acceleration to work though, I have no idea why. It says it's working and all but I get like 7fps on pulsar, if anyone can help me, please do, and I do have it in 16bpp mode.
Oh ya! and the symlink on is broken you'll need to relink it to the glx-nv.so
And.. if you're really daring you can try this line in your sources.list those are the cvs snapshots. Last time I tried these they were broken.
deb http://debian.oftheinter.net glx/
Good Luck. I hope you do better than me. If you get the acceleration working please email me and tell me how!
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code (Score:1)
by LoWtEcH on Tuesday November 09, @09:58PM EST (#65)
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hey dose MIL still work ?
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linked text in description (Score:4, Insightful)
by sesquiped on Tuesday November 09, @09:59PM EST (#66)
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This headline caught my eye because I remember playing wolf3d a while ago, and I'm always interested in classic games (which tend to be as much fun as modern ones). I wanted to visit the page, so I looked for a hyperlink to the page in the description text on the main page. The linked text wasn't the word "this" which would have made the most sense, or "Wolfenstein 3D", which would have made a little. Or even "classic game". None of these phrases that refer to the page were linked. Instead, the hyperlink was the text "Linux version". True, there is a Linux version located at the page, but there is also a Windows version, and that text was not linked to anything. I understand that this page has a prominent Linux bias. That is acceptable when, for example, a popular windows software program is released for Linux. In this case, however, the actual story has no Linux bias. There are already versions of wolf3d for Linux as well as Windows. The point of this story was that an GL version has been made, and it has been made for both platforms. Adding a Linux bias where none existed previously is misleading, unfair, and simply bad journalism.
FYI, I do not use Linux at home, but not for reasons of technological superiority. I do believe that Linux is a technologically superior OS to Widnows. However, that is no reason to make the link text only "Linux version" when the program and site is obviously OS-neutral.
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Good journalism (Score:2)
by Per Abrahamsen (abraham@dina.kvl.dk) on Wednesday November 10, @05:17AM EST (#113)
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Emphasising the Linux version is fair, honest and simply good journalism. Because that is the OS the readers of this site are expected to be most interested in. Just like a MS oriented site would be expected to emphasize the availability of a MS Windows version (as opposed to the old DOS version). Good journalists knows their audience, and select and present the news that are of most interest to their audience.
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Re:linked text in description (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @06:02AM EST (#117)
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I think you are kidding yourself if you think this site is not Linux biased.
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Re:linked text in description- what do you expect? (Score:1)
by Dougal (michael@g141.com.n0spam) on Wednesday November 10, @07:40AM EST (#124)
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While I agree with you in principle, I'm afraid that it's a moot point. Yes, the story wasn't a Linux story, but /. is, whether it pretends to be or not, a Linux oriented site. I'd imagine (I'm sure there are polls on this) that the majority of people here are pro-Linux, Anti-Microsoft people. Just look at the way the news about the Microsoft case is presented. Note: I think I'm about to wonder off-topic :-) It comes back to an interesting question - should journalists present just the raw facts, or are they allowed to put there own personal spin on them? I don't see any harm in the later (just my opinion) as long as the reader knows this. Now I know, and I'm sure most readers do when they come here, that /. has a Linux bias. Thankfully it's not overwhelming - /. will carry stories against Linux too. My point (if I have one) is that the majority of readers here will be more interested in getting their hands on the Linux version of WolfGL (or whatever). I'm sure Malda, Hemos, etal know their audiance and what they want. Perhaps they should have linked to a Windows version too, but that doesn't mean that their oringial decision was wrong. I think one problem with comments about the journalistic style of /. is that people expect it to behave like a newspaper or industry magazine. That's probably a bad typecast. Yes, /. does serve many of the same features of them, but that is just the way news things work - but we shouldn't expect it to behave the same. We all saw this when the recriminations appeared about the April the 1st joke happened. People started to rely on /. for the law on the news - but I never remember Rob or anyone promising this to any of us - people just assume that 'cos it looks like a newspaper it follws the same rules. It doesn't have to, and thankfully doesn't. People need to remember what /. is and not expect it to be anything else unless the powers that be decide otherwise. -- Dougal
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Oh, man... (Score:1, Offtopic)
by Millennium (rbg6038@spamreallyreallysucks.rit.edu) on Tuesday November 09, @10:07PM EST (#72)
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Intel ASM... I guess I'm out of this one.
Then again, I don't think anyone's added 3D-accel support for anything under LinuxPPC anyway. Anyone know what current plans are (I know Glide's out until the person who ports it gets a PPC box to work on, but what about ATI chips at least?).
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Re:Oh, man... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @08:57AM EST (#135)
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They've released drivers for the ATI Rage 128 Chipset at linuxppc.org. I haven't gotten to test them yet though, I can't get Linux to play nicely with my machine.
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Re:Oh, man... (Score:2)
by Millennium (rbg6038@spamreallyreallysucks.rit.edu) on Wednesday November 10, @09:26AM EST (#138)
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Does it do 3D, though? I know it does 2D; all of the current drivers for LinPPC do. But I don't know of any that accelerates 3D yet.
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hardware requirements... eek. (Score:1)
by David E. Smith on Tuesday November 09, @10:20PM EST (#77)
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| The original Wolfenstein 3D ran on darn near every 386 ever made. Beyond that, the hardware requirements were non-existant. And this one, for few appreciable gains, now requires a 3D graphics card. While I respect the coder's work here, and am a fan of nostalgia gaming in general (wow! Didn't know the early '90s counted as nostalgia, did you?) I hope a non-3D version comes out someday.
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The FIRST 3d shooter... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @10:25PM EST (#80)
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Back on the c64, there was a game based on the movie platoon. There was a sequence in the game where you would run around in tunnels and shoot viet-cong in a 3d-ish first person view. I am no gamer historian, but that was out a good few years before Wolf...Anyways, the original castle wolfenstien was better, imho :p
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No Apologies for Apogee (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @10:57PM EST (#88)
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Wait a minute... didn't Apogee made the program for ID Software?
Now if I could only use that dead dog for food and jack up my health points. =)
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Re:No Apologies for Apogee (Score:1)
by Dr. Jest (notquiteright@anti-social.com) on Wednesday November 10, @12:51AM EST (#101)
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No, you got that reversed... Id made it for Apogee, not the other way around.
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Re:No Apologies for Apogee (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @12:04PM EST (#147)
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Apogee is just a distributor, they didn't develop actual games.
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trouble under windows... (Score:1)
by delmoi (delmoi at hot mail dot com) on Tuesday November 09, @11:03PM EST (#91)
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Hrm, I can't get this thing to run under windows, and I don't think iv'e got GL setup correctly under Linux, It page faults imediatly, is anyone else having this problem?
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Requires a 3D card? What happened to Mesa+GGI? (Score:1)
by Edmund (edmundw@sympatico.ca) on Tuesday November 09, @11:51PM EST (#96)
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Hey, if wrapping Mesa to GGI worked to run Q3test at slideshow frame rates, what's stopping us from running this baby with it?
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Re:Requires a 3D card? What happened to Mesa+GGI? (Score:1)
by DragoonAK on Wednesday November 10, @02:15AM EST (#107)
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You can do it (Damn Nvidia! Why don't you release an updated libGL.so for Xfree 3.3.5 until XFree 4.0?) but it's slow as a dog.
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Re:Requires a 3D card? What happened to Mesa+GGI? (Score:1)
by Edmund (edmundw@sympatico.ca) on Wednesday November 10, @04:12PM EST (#155)
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I do believe I said "slideshow frame rates". :)
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That Game's on 'the index' (Score:1)
by TicTacTux (tictactux@swissonline.ch) on Wednesday November 10, @02:07AM EST (#106)
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| Note that in certain countries, W3D is on the index of {youth endangering | violent | featuring nazi emblems | pick one } publications. While not all may agree I think the Linux community (or are they already downgraded to 'consumers'?) deserve better than yet-another-splatter-and-slaughter game. (That's why 3D/Apogee had to bring out a 'softened' version)
I remember having spent countless hours with Cmdr Keen (now I spend my evenings at Cmdr Taco's), Cosmo or Monster Bash (just to name a few). Not that they were definitely non-violent but at least you didn't kill 'real' people. I'm waiting for an 'Apogee The Works' CD for Linux...
Use The Source, Luke!
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Under MGA-GLX (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @04:24AM EST (#111)
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Going great!
A little jerky on scroll, (Worse than I remember than the original, but might be rose tint), but still nice. There seems to be a decoupling between key commands and the response, guess that is due to the X keyboard interpretation.
Sounds are also surprisingly good, when I played it years ago the sound was PC speaker, so heh, of course.
Umm, glibc2.1, X3.3.5, G400 16MB, SB16, dual Celeron, late October CVS GLX, no GART (dev kernel). Put an FPS in it and it might become an essential Benchmark :-) .
While I'm here: Quake 3 maxes at 30 fps, worst I've seen 12 fps, gears 87 fps at 200x200.
Go GLX!!
http://glx.on.openprojects.net
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More (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @05:39PM EST (#158)
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Jeeze, after playing a bit I quit, and found it had leaked a vast amount of memory. :-( The jerkiness is in the update cycle, not keyboard. It could stand being a bit finer grained for 3D card users. You get a near 1 second pause, then an incredibly fast smooth scroll through around sixty degrees. Not predictable, and adding a bit of extra excitement when you got a roomful of SS to clear.
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Wolfenstein is past its sell-by date (Score:2)
by Tet (tethys@it.newsint.co.uk) on Wednesday November 10, @05:22AM EST (#114)
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| I played Wolf3D to death in the early nineties, and loved every minute of it. It was a completely ground breaking game, and everyone was in awe of the graphics, and how they managed to display them so quickly, even on lowly 386s. However, its time has long passed. I still go back and play Doom every now and again, but I can't remember the last time I played Wolf3D or Quake. Doom is so much better in terms of gameplay than either of them. Still, it's certainly nice to have Wolf3D on Linux, and I'll be downloading it, for novelty value if nothing else. Now if only I could get UAE to play Battle Squadron at a sensible speed....
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Author notes (Score:1)
by lmz on Wednesday November 10, @06:07AM EST (#118)
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Hi,
I'm the author of the OpenGL port of Wolf, and I was surprised with the number of messages I got today (I'll reply to everybody soon) and even that I got a note at slashdot. I didn't knew that there was so much interest in an old game ! :)
Just a few things I'd like to let you know (I should write a FAQ):
- I'll release my modified version of the source code as soon as I get an answer from someone from ID telling me that it's ok.
- I don't have a 3dfx card, so I don't know what needs to be done to make it run correctly, but it seems that some people did get it to work.
- I thought I've made this clear, the game will only run with the data files from the shareware version 1.4 (if you're not sure of what you have, download it from my page). To make it run with the registered version or Spear of Destiny all I need to do is change a few #defines in the code but I don't know if ID would like me to do that or not.
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How about Catacombs of the Abyss??? (Score:1)
by DGolden (david.golden@ireland.com) on Wednesday November 10, @06:26AM EST (#120)
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Anyone remember Catacombs of the Abyss??
It was quite a good game, with an EGA (!)
Wolf3D-like engine - but with a doom-like plot.
I remember playing it and Wolf3D in school
years ago...
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Not the first port! (Score:1)
by FortranDragon on Wednesday November 10, @08:24AM EST (#129)
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How soon we forget. :) There have been a number of ports, to the Apple IIgs, the SNES, Atari Jaguar, and the Mac among others. Check out http://www.warzone.com/fullnews/902317374.shtml.
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Re:Not the first port! (Score:1)
by relnev on Wednesday November 10, @01:46PM EST (#150)
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Interesting note: John Carmack did the initial porting of Wolf3D to the SNES. He would compile the code on an Apple IIGS, and used a converter he wrote to convert into the SNES ROM format. Also only 10% of the SNES port used assembly. (info from exe2rom.zip on x2ftp)
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SVGALib port of Wolf3d (Score:1)
by AndroSyn on Wednesday November 10, @09:12AM EST (#136)
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I used to have a bookmark to an port of Wolf3d to Linux using SVGALib. Unfortunately the link is dead.
http://jcs.jsteintech.com/wolf3d/
That was the URL but the site seems to be gone. (Domain and all)
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Re:SVGALib port of Wolf3d (Score:1)
by AndroSyn on Wednesday November 10, @09:25AM EST (#137)
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http://emu.lunarapocalypse.com/misc/wolf3d/wwolf-0.0.1.tar.gz
Is the URL to another half baked port of wolfenstein
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Re:SVGALib port of Wolf3d (Score:1)
by relnev on Wednesday November 10, @01:41PM EST (#149)
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The URL in the main post of this thread is no longer valid, but I do not remember the new URL.
Uh, and...
http://emu.lunarapocalypse.com/misc/wolf3d/wolfsrc-0.2.tar.gz
is a working version (some features not implemented, I can tell you which ones and why).
I do not have the intent of finishing the "half baked" code at this time.
But it's there.
http://www.sirius.demon.co.uk is XWolf (another option).
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Joe Namath! (Score:1)
by SkurfGod on Wednesday November 10, @09:29AM EST (#139)
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W3D! Boy, was I hooked! My girlfriend would always ask me why the Nazi bastards were always crying out, "Joe Namath!" whenever I shot 'em full o' lead!
(What ARE they saying that sounds like "Joe Namath!"?)
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Re:Joe Namath! (Score:1)
by Chris Pimlott on Wednesday November 10, @10:30AM EST (#141)
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"Mein laben", or "My life!"
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Re:Joe Namath! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, @10:32AM EST (#142)
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hmmm I always thought it sounded like "Mein Labin" kinda figured it ment "Mother" as in crying for momma.....
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I don't get it... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 11, @05:42PM EST (#165)
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I mean, it's WOLFENSTEIN! It's BAD! What's the big deal?
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Re:How sad .. (Score:1)
by slashdap on Tuesday November 09, @09:38PM EST (#49)
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We've also got Q3A and others. But there's something to be said for the games many of us grew up on.
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Re:How sad .. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @11:57PM EST (#98)
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| Exactly! Most games today suck because they're all minor variations on the same theme. Where is the innovation and creativity? Remember the video games of the early 80's? Even though they were limited to simple graphics, there were such diverse games as Space Invaders, Asteroids, Defender, Frogger, Pacman, Breakout, Donkey Kong, Dig-Dug, Joust, Blaster, original (non-super)Mario Bros., Tempest, Tetris... I could go on. The reason I listed those games is that each of them is played differently. Today there are really only about six different types of fast action video games: Racing games, Flight sims, Sports sims, 3D exploration games (superMario, Sonic et al), 3D combat games (Doom, Quake et al), and Martial Arts games. What happened to all the innovation? Is Quake3 really that much better than Doom or Wolfenstein 3d, or does it just have better graphics? Won't someone come up with a unique game, or have all the good ideas been used before?
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Re:How sad .. (Score:1)
by slashdap on Wednesday November 10, @12:23AM EST (#100)
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You're certainly right. Most games do feel the same these days. The problem, I think, is the money at stake. There are huge amounts of money to be made in the game market, so whenever there's a good idea, or a new twist, it's mimicked across the board.
Take Warcraft (I'd say DuneII, but I've never played it). It made it big. Then there was the inevitable Warcraft 2, Warcraft 3^H^H^H^H^HStarcraft, Command & Conquer, and so on. But it was a fresh (but not completely original) idea at the time.
That said, I think Q3A does have something to it, but you can't be sure until the full thing is out. It's the first FPS (or was at conception, I could be wrong now?) game to focus completely on head-to-head play. It also has a unique feel to it, at least to me. No, it's certainly not the never-been-seen-before that Wolf3D was, but it has some merits. Oh, and those graphics sure are purdy. :) Carmack's taken the FPS genre quite far aesthetically (sp?). I'm just hoping with id's next project, he'll take it in a new direction.
(Hey CmdrTaco, how come a preview translates my & to a plain old & in the edit window?)
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Re:How sad .. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 09, @09:57PM EST (#64)
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Exactly the same age as you, what a coincidence!
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Announcing special SlashDot edition (Score:4, Funny)
by JoeShmoe (askjoeshmoe@hotmail.com) on Tuesday November 09, @10:09PM EST (#73)
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You, the elite Allied moderator, are trapped in a forum full of Nazi first posters, Beowulfers, and
El33t D00dz. Pull out that trusty sidearm and fire them into -1 oblivion.
- JoeShmoe
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Re:Announcing special SlashDot edition (Score:1)
by ToastyKen (ToastyKen@hotmail.com) on Wednesday November 10, @12:08AM EST (#99)
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Yes! I'm so glad to know there's someone besides me who puts people who scream "Beowulf it!" on every article in the same category as first posters! :)
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Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday November 09, @08:25PM
Linux/GL port of Wolfenstein 3D